Wolves in Shepherd’s Clothing: Preexistence

-...inwardly they are ravenous wolves.- (1)

Gentle Reader,

Before we get into this, my friend, I want to state adamantly that your salvation is determined only by how you respond to God now, not on anything you did before you were born or anything you do after you die. The Lord sets up each of us repeatedly to come to Him in repentance. He is ever-active and takes no delight in people being separate from Him. But we get one chance. On shot. It is this life and this life only.

Shepherd’s Chapel has a significant doctrinal link with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

It’s the preexistence of humanity.

Mormon doctrine posits that, somewhere, out there (thank you, Fievel) the Mormon gods are having lots of sex with their harems and this results in many “spirit babies.” These “spirit babies” must come to earth and get a body so that they can “progress” through the various stages of exaltation and become gods/goddesses themselves. And the process is repeated ad infinitum.

Though Shepherd’s Chapel doesn’t teach that their god has sex and makes babies, they do follow the same essential line of thinking regarding preexistence. Where all the spirits/souls come from is unclear from my reading; either their god made them or they have always been around. (Problematic either way. If their god made these spirits, then did he mess up? Is that why he had to make physical humanity? If the spirits have always been around, then their god is not the only eternal being). Anyway:

Murray and his followers believe that humans existed prior to living on earth. Murray teaches, in regard to Genesis 1:26, that God “spoke to the Elohim, meaning God and his children, let us make that man in our image, which is to say make it look in likeness that we are. Do you appear as your soul appeared in the world that was…I told you, that God said, ‘In our image, our likeness,’ the Elohim were standing there, they were from before.” He clarifies, “We were always with [God] until you were born into this earth.” – Shepherd’s Chapel Profile

There is nothing in Scripture to back this up. Nothing. The only preexisting Person to grace the pages of the Bible is Jesus. If we somehow conclude that, because Christ is eternal, we are eternal, then we have a massive problem. We have reduced the Son. We have removed His utter and complete uniqueness. We create a savior that is not anything like the True Lord.

In doing so, we elevate ourselves. Notice that Murray implies that we, in our preexistent state, actually had a hand in creation. He misunderstands the word “Elohim.” This word is, indeed, plural, but in the creation account of Genesis it does not mean a plurality of gods, a group consisting of gods and spirit people or a group consisting of one god and spirit people. Despite being a plural masculine noun, when the word is used for the True God (“elohim” can be used for false gods in the Old Testament) the verbs, adjectives and pronouns are always singular. This defies the rules of Hebrew grammar. It would be like us saying, “Jane, Joan and Jenny went to the store. She walked.” There is something entirely unique about Elohim.

Further, it is ridiculous to think that the ancient Hebrews, who were told over and over again that their focus of worship was to be on one God, would write or believe that a plurality of anything was involved in creation. Such a thing flies directly in the face of everything they were taught. Over and over and over again, the Hebrews were told to have nothing to do with a pantheon of any size. The only explanation within an orthodox Christian framework is that God chose to reveal Himself as Elohim as an indication of Trinity.

This concept requires further examination. Much like The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Murray and his followers believe that humans participated, prior to their mortal existence on this earth, in the rebellion in heaven described in Revelation 12:7–8. Those good individuals who fought on the side of Michael are those who, according to Ephesians 1:4 says, were “chosen…before the foundations of this world;” these individuals were predestined to salvation, and thus were not cursed with a free will. Those who fought on the side of Satan, however, received a free will with which to choose or reject God in this life. – Shepherd’s Chapel Profile

It’s hard to make sense of that. There’s a weird attempt to mix Calvin and Arminius. If you fought for God, you have no free will. You’ll automatically be saved. If you didn’t fight for God, you get to choose. Except neither Calvin or Arminus had anything to say about salvation having to do with whose side you were on in a battle in Heaven.

There just isn’t anything in the Bible that tells us we existed as incorporeal spirits before being born. There is nothing that says what we did as those incorporeal spirits has a bearing on whether or not we will be saved.

It’s interesting that both groups teach that there is a curse associated with those who didn’t fight for god (Shepherd’s Chapel) or didn’t fight valiantly enough (LDS). This leads to a second link between the two.

Shepherd’s Chapel teaches that free will is the curse. The LDS teach that dark skin is the curse. Spirit children who didn’t fight valiantly enough for the Mormon gods when Jesus and Lucifer (who are brothers) went to war over the plan of salvation came to earth with dark skin, which was a sign of the Mormon gods’ displeasure. So they couldn’t hold the priesthood. So they couldn’t ever achieve the highest level of exaltation. (But thanks to continuing revelation all that was done away with in 1978).

As discussed in the previous entry, Shepherd’s Chapel teaches that the descendants of Cain, the Kenites, are the literal offspring of Satan. Prior to 1978 the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints taught that:

Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness he became the father of an inferior race. A curse was place upon him and that curse has been continued through his lineage and must do so while time endures. Millions of souls have come into this world cursed with black skin and have been denied the privilege of Priesthood and the fullness of the blessings of the Gospel. These are the descendants of Cain. Moreover, they have been made to feel their inferiority and have been separated from the rest of mankind from the beginning…we will also hope that blessings may eventually be given to our Negro brethren, for they are our brethren – children of God – notwithstanding their black covering emblematical of eternal darkness.  – Joseph Fielding Smith, The Way to Perfection, 101-102

They’re our brothers…except that they are eternally dark.


Both groups have to “do something” with Cain. Odd, isn’t it? Doesn’t make any sense that Cain is such a big deal. He’s a completely minor character in the narrative of Scripture, despite having committed the first murder.

Simply, it is the elitism endemic in all false teaching. Sometimes this takes the form of class warfare (as found in the Hindu caste hierarchy). Sometimes this takes the form of racism, as in both Shepherd’s Chapel and the LDS. There are always the “better thans” in cult systems. Always those “in the know.” Always those who are “more blessed” than others, and their blessed state is evident.

According to a student of Murray, 95 percent of those who fought for Satan [which, because they are not followers of Arnold Murray, includes such individuals as this author and most readers of this Profile] will continue to worship Satan in this life. – Shepherd’s Chapel Profile

Have nothing to do with Shepherd’s Chapel. Have nothing to do with them.

My journey to faith. (15)

For all the posts in the Wolves in Shepherd’s Clothing series, go here.


3 thoughts on “Wolves in Shepherd’s Clothing: Preexistence

  1. Don’t you believe its wrong, to equate racism with Christians, you do not know?
    And who have never expressed it, ever?

    The Chapel has been on live television since the early 1980s. Their teachers, are forever public. The studio and Bible lessons have been open to the public for all that time and before. Questions have always been taken from anyone who writes in, or visitors of all races, to ask questions after studies conclude in person. A cult, does not take questions ever nor allow to be questioned in a negative light. But, anyone who has watched and observed the studies, and learned with The Chapel knows of the myriad of questions that have been posed live in air, which recordings are still public. Of which you have not bothered to consult.

    There is no affiliation to any group nor church. They are a independent, Christian, ( The Shepherd’s ) Bible teaching, non-denomination Church. As Paul instructs in 1 Corinthians 1. Yet that does not stop you, from making very fast and loose associations to facilitate the appearance of guilt to the unsuspecting as yourself, from imagination that does not exist but in a form of lies.

    You’ve not produced one video nor has anyone that make these accusations , of AM saying anything racist. Because its not true. You have only in error, of opinion and fallacies concluded it. Not from actual reality.
    I say this as a biracial individual since surface level is how you investigate.

    Like many others who’ve come before, continue to copy past each others lies, assumptions and Biblically illiterate opinion, without checking to see if they are true.

    In another post, someone ranted about AM not serving in as a Marine? And you said: “thank you”.
    You did not even bother to do any, research.
    You did not even use discretion.
    You did not question the stranger or say you refrain from human err and judgments,
    as you and many like you, tare down the good work of not just one man but many people, men and women who made that church grown and stood the course in teaching Gods word. Not one liners, or doctrines of mankind. But What God says in The Bible. Even teaching people how to study for themselves.

    I don’t believe, teaching Gods word, should be by established group doctrines. Like what you believe to be “orthodox”. If Christ did not teach it, its is not orthodox. It is Traditions of Men.

    There is one head of All, and The is The Lord Christ. One must discern and do their own thinking. From my own discernment, The Chapel is a great dedicated, faithful to The Lord Christ, Bible teaching church.

    The chapel only sound different , because most churches today teach along doctrine lines Only. Regardless, if that doctrine has problems. People are too lazy to read and study Gods word, and stand with The Truth. Its much easier to just go with the masses, and question the few teaching Gods words in Full, than it is to question the majority and get people like you lazily posting nonsense.

    The copy paste theology a Condition which will lead all the world to worship Satan.
    The Chapel by your own admission, sounds strange to you.
    This can only mean, you are with the majority.
    And The Lord addressed The Majority in Revelation. It does not end well for them.

    You took issue with The Chapel teachings on other threads, and totally are exposed for the lack of education in The Bible you have. Because you leave yourself open for questioning when you cite ideas, for which are clearly expressed in scriptures. Word, for Word. Yet you say, it does not exist? Its Foreign? The idea is other to you, because you are raised in the majority line thinking. Cookie cutter doctrines, of mankind that will not weather the Strom God will send upon all, Christians to Test. As written.

    Its easy to tare something down. Its much harder to build something. Specially in this day and age where people want to hear easy doctrines, and not the full Truth.

    I’m sure copy pasting got you through your education. But it does not work here, in the real world. Where people can question things as every Christian should.



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