Donald Trump and Sexual Assault: What Else Are Evangelical Voters Willing to Accept?

I don’t use the “reblog” feature on WordPress (the company that hosts this site) very often, but there are times when something is just too good and it must be shared. Read this. Think about it.

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Last night’s presidential debate opened with the Republican candidate for president apologizing for boasting about sexual assault, while in the same breath claiming that it was just words, mere “locker room talk.” “I’m very embarrassed by it,” he admitted, “but it’s locker room talk.”

That’s all. Nothing to worry about. This is just how men talk when they are together having fun. People just say these things.

That’s what Trump would have us believe.

I have heard much “locker room talk” over the years and I have never, ever, heard someone even come close to bragging about sexual assault without being called out on it by any man with any self-respect whatsoever.

I am well aware that many men say these sorts of things. Many men commit sexual assault too. Indeed, one out of every five women in America has been the victim of rape or attempted rape, and half…

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7 thoughts on “Donald Trump and Sexual Assault: What Else Are Evangelical Voters Willing to Accept?

  1. I think the original author missed the point that Hillary Clinton has covered up for her husband’s many sexual exploits over the years. Trump has a big mouth and he’s not afraid of using it. but Bill Clinton’s list of acts of (alleged) sexual groping and rape are legion.

    In my opinion neither Trump nor Clinton are fit to be President and there are not truly Christian candidates available for the office of POTUS. Christians can either vote for the least offensive of the options or not vote at all out of protest (which will actually mean nothing).

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    1. I absolutely agree with you, James. Clinton has plenty of her own sins, no doubt about that. This article echoes what a non-Christian friend of mine said to me the other day, though. She can’t see how people who are constantly talking about morals and ethics can line up behind this guy. She’s not wrong.

      It’s laughable that the RNC leadership is abandoning him now. I mean, really. As if he hasn’t been utterly ridiculous for the last 18 months. John Oliver did a bit on this last night – Trump did not get here by himself.

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      1. Depending on how conspiracy minded you are, there are folks who say the whole thing was a set up, and more credible Republican candidates like Cruz and Rubio were shot down because they would have beaten Clinton due to her amazing lack of credibility. Clinton could only beat a GOP candidate who completely offends everyone like Trump.

        Christian votes have a difficult time because no politician running for the office of President is even remotely Christian, and to be fair, no straight up Christian candidate would probably be able to win the office given the moral vacuum most American votes exist in these days.

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      2. I’m willing to put on my tin-foil hat and go with that. Nothing about this makes sense.

        Honestly? I think we’re getting what we deserve. Whoever wins, it’s going to be 4-8 more years of obstructionism and division. We’ve done this to ourselves.

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  2. Tuininga’s essay is interesting. I’ve read it several times. And all I can come up with at the end is that the guy’s a Pharisee. If you’re into morals and ethics, you can’t help but agree with me. The implication is that if you don’t, you’re part of the Darkness.

    Sorry, I don’t buy that at all.

    I’ve heard locker-room talk like Trump used. Tuiniga’s comment that no self-respecting man would stand for it is rubbish. Most people won’t challenge what they see as an idle braggart. Getting into a potential fistfight – and possibly going to jail – is not worth putting down something that’s just talk.

    I have never been an admirer of Trump’s personality, but I do think that he deserves the ‘innocent until proven guilty’ thing.

    But this – “And I wonder if you can find anyone who knows anything at all about Donald Trump who actually believes his claim that he has never sexually assaulted a woman.”

    Tuininga doesn’t say anything about being acquainted with Trump personally. His words are easy and spectacular, but all I know about Donald Trump is what I read online, and I certainly can’t make that accusation that the man is a pervert and a felon. Crude and distasteful, yes. But beyond that, I do not have the right to judge.

    On the whole I feel that the essay – and the controversy – is much more an indictment of holier-than-thou Christians and others.

    My feeling is that anyone who’s laughed at (or smiled at) a racist or sexist joke is as guilty. as Trump for the remarks in question. And any man or woman who’s looked at someone else who’s married and thought, even for an instant, “I want that” has crossed the same line. By Christ’s words, it’s NOT a matter of degree.

    Trump apologised – repeatedly. What does Tuininga want? Ritual suicide at a press conference? Or just a mea culpa that includes an admission that the man’s unfit for public life, and is merely appropriate fodder for degradation by ‘moral theologians’ like himself?

    We’re not electing a pope, nor are we choosing a pastor. We’re looking for someone to lead the United States in a particularly challenging time, and applying this kind of litmus test seems a bit presumptuous..

    I’ve saved comparison for the end. Clinton used her power and position to demean and defame those women who were assaulted by her husband – and that husband, who we are told would have a role in a Clinton presidency – took a number of round-the-world trips on the private jet of a friend who is a convicted child molester (and whose aeroplane was dubbed “The Lolita Express”).

    Trump apologised; Clinton justified. There IS something of a moral difference here.

    And I do have a personal stake, because even though male, I was sexually abused – repeatedly and for a long time – as a child. I know more than I care to remember about being degraded.

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    1. You know I don’t support Clinton. So there’s that.

      There are no degrees of sin in God’s eyes. You are right about that. Where we part ways, I think, is in how we view Trump’s apology. I see as much justification in his words as in Clinton’s regarding her scandals.

      I mentioned to James above that a non-Christian friend of mine is baffled over how people who speak so often of morals and ethics can get behind this guy. That spoke volumes to me. Our collective witness has been damaged.

      Like I said before, if at the end of the day someone chooses to vote for Trump based on propsed policy, that’s his/her right. I’m not going to hate anyone for it.

      Truly, we’ve done this to ourselves.

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      1. We have done it to ourselves.

        But I wonder if there is some gleam of hope here; there’s never been such a focus on character, and perhaps that will renew the importance of ethics and principles in our public representatives.

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